Apostles and St. Irenaeus

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I got a reply about the two categories after I had stated we know from tradition that such and such wrote the Gospels, and he answered sth about "anonymous" and "rumours named them after characters in a fictional account" ... I wondered if he considered St. Irenaeus as a character in a fictional account too.

No, he didn't, obviously. But that leaves the question where you draw the line.

If we agree that Spidey and all of his surroundings are fictional, to give kind of a parallel to the situation, it would be like saying "we all know Daily Bugle" and "Randy Robertson was just on the news with an interview" ... while still denying that John Jonah Jameson Jr. ever hired any Peter Parker to The DB.

I can live with a Daily Bugle that starts fictional and continues to this day fictional. I could live with a Daily Bugle that starts real and continues real to this day (if I had better evidence than Steve Ditko and Stan Lee, known as fiction providers) - but presuming that the Daily Bugle started out as a fictional paper and transformed into a real life one staggers credibility.

And The Ekklesia is parallel* - obviously St. Irenaeus claims to be part of the same ekklesia that started out "in fictional accounts" when Jesus called Peter, Andrew, James and John or when St. Peter preached on the 50th day from Resurrection day.

When did you see Randy Robertson come out as saying "yeah, daddy - Joseph "Robbie" Robertson - had to dismiss Peter Parker from The Daily Bugle, when news came out he was Spiderman, but the dismissal was perfectly honourable and we had a farewell party" or words of such effect, and from an outlet known for news and not fiction?/HGL

* Except Christ was not exactly an employee of it!